He friended, then de-friended and blocked my wife on social media. In closing, I dont desire to argue with anyone; i have nothing to gain. Church discipline for dissenting members was greeted with wild applause. Again, more lies and half-truths. SATURDAY, Dec 10 (4pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. Hayes did not suddenly abandon his faith in the few months between his announcement that he was stepping aside, as he was being felt led to do, to make room for younger leadership and his sudden dismissal by the FBCN leadership. And we are soldierscharged with pulling down ideological strongholds and casting down the lies and deception spawned by the forces of evil (2 Corinthians 10:35; 2 Timothy 2:34). The situation at FBC Naples should serve as a solemn reminder to church members everywhere to ensure that their by-laws provide church members biblical protections from rogue staff members who would seek to dominate their church. However, according to a group of 30 to 40 Concerned Members of FBCN, which includes several former deacons, racism had nothing to do with why pastoral candidate Marcus Hayes was rejected as pastor. However, at some point the church leadership became hostile to the longtime pastor, according to church members. But the uniform refusal to comment from the church leadership is suspicious. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Instead, Wicker was quickly forced out. Takeaway: The problems here illustrate how important biblical models of church governance and judicial process are. The Marcus Hayes vote was used to cry wolf. I am saying that, as I have countless experiences of colorblind people saying or doing insensitive, offensive things because they forgot Im black. Similarly, an article in The Grio asked, Did a Florida church not hire a pastor because he was Black? And Christianity Today stated, Black Pastor Candidate Withdraws After Controversial Vote at SBC Megachurch.. The removal of the original pastor and his ENTIRE family, the threats to members from a law firm, and the mere fact that they were not abiding by their own by-laws are just a few of the issues going on. Looking for past sermons? If there is any racism its from Pastor Hayes and his endorsement of Woke Movement. Jesus said that He wants us to all be in unity and that He is building a church. The congregation must find a way to publicly be able to bring Hayes Wicker and his family back into this fellowship as loved and former members. I also find it interesting that Dorrills past financial misdeeds didnt seem to be a problem for the dissenters until the Hayes vetting process. this approach to transition can become a helpful model for other churches.. We are simultaneously soldiers, commissioned to wage war for the defense and dissemination of the truth in the face of countless onslaughts against it. Doesnt matter what denomination or race you are, all of this drama is toxic on a nuclear level for the body and spirit and surely the work of Satan himself. Dwight McKissic for comment, but none responded. I guess I missed this one. Wicker responded with a 16-page letter refuting the charges against him. @Bernie Lutchman you are so correct. I just wish so many from my former church would open their eyes and see whats going on. It was appalling and heartbreaking to witness. ", When asked during the Q&A session whether he considers himself a conservative, Hayes said he is "as conservative as they come.". (The church publishes an annual directory with member email addresses.). #JemelRoberson https://t.co/Y1dMXQY33N, But the Group of Concerned FBNC Members, citing the tweet, said Hayes should be questioned about his relationship with first responders, specifically police, "and his thoughts on such topics as Ferguson, police shootings involving people of color, etc. We are so glad you've chosen to join us. Wicker spent 27 years as pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples. JUST STOP THE HATE. Edie, the church's executive pastor, however, called Hayes "one of the most qualified men in Southern Baptist life to be a Senior Pastor of any church in this country.". While methods may change, our commitment to Biblical doctrine is a non-negotiable. Christianity Today (CT) reported in November that Neil Dorrill had claimed at a Q&A session that inappropriate emails had been sent to Hayess church in North Carolina, Biltmore Church. 3000 Orange Blossom Drive, Naples, FL 34109, U.S. Its devastating to the proclamation of the Gospel. Roku Live Streaming, Copyright 2023 ITP Productions, Inc. dba ChristianWorldMedia.com, All Rights Reserved, Welcome to First Naples! 3000 Orange Blossom Drive. Interesting. Regardless of what specific concerns were held, its important to know that 1) no evidence of genuine racism on the part of those holding them has surfaced, and 2) the efforts these members made to ask questions and express reservations were not taken seriously. We reached out to Dorrill, but he refused to answer any questions. First Baptist Church - Naples 3000 Orange Blossom Dr Naples FL 34109 (239) 597-6057 Claim this business (239) 597-6057 Website More Directions Advertisement We are so thankful for the godly staff who serve the Lord and lead our FBCNaples family! fell short of the 85% vote required to install him as a pastor. Regardless of who is at fault for what, this is NOT what Church should be. Melisa do you attend First Baptist ? 3000 Orange Blossom Drive, Naples, FL 34109, U.S. First Naples glorifies God by being a multigenerational, multiethnic, multiplying church. Havent hurt enough yet. Ricardo Barbosa December 25, 2014. Leading the Q&A session, Dorrill alluded to the past year for the church, which saw its longtime senior pastor, Hayes Wicker, leave amid dissatisfaction by some church members over the circumstances of his departure. Stop reading things into what a person says or writes (Im sure you will do this to me) as being racist. Some of these blacks are church leaders. Garippa said The Naples Gathering has 350 to 400 people attending, 85-percent of whom are former FBC Naples members. More bluntly What have we done? . Yet Caudill said that instead of calling a special meeting in accordance with church bylaws, the leadership at FBC Naples excommunicated 18 of the Concerned Members, including Caudill. Quite the contrary the creedal history of the church was arguably constructed to exclude precisely the kind of views that were being espoused. FBC Naples, recently listed as the 64th largest SBC church in the country, appears to be withering in the wake of the scandal. The power plays, ego trippin (yes, I did say trippin), greed, pride, etc., has been going on throughout church history. And if He wanted us all to be the same, He wouldve made us the same. If you promote that, take a LONG look in the mirror. Soon, one way or another there will be a woke pastor in the pulpit of FBCN. Our warfare is not against flesh and blood (Ephesians 6:12); and our duty as ambassadors does not permit us to compromise or align ourselves with any kind of human philosophies, religious deceit, or any other kind of falsehood (Colossians 2:8). First, there are blacks who strenuously object to books like Woke Church, as well as intersectionality, and reparations for slavery. Those involved either need to find a way to recover from this, not just cover it up, or decide to step aside for the greater good. We are so glad you've chosen to join us. 1/2: 17+yr member of FBCN and attendee here! The message at FBCN is clear: get along or get out. But while we cannot know the heart of another, this doesnt sound like a case of hearts poisoned intolerance, of minds clouded by prejudice. We were on cloud nine. There is no room in our Gospel for racism, none whatsoever. This models anything but love and mocks justice. Despite his disagreement with the process, Wicker said he submitted to an exit agreement offered by the church, which included a non-disclosure clause. I can tell you I am not a racist. Items. "Is that what the gospel is all about?". However, no one even begins to acknowledge that this system is the product of Hayes ministry. For adults and children ages 4+, we offer private and group lessons on the church campus with experienced musicians who are devoted to giving their . **Statements about the actions taken by FBC Naples leadership assume the fidelity of Pulpit & Pens inside source. It may interest you to go over to TWW and read their article, as well as the comments from members of that church who state they were unfairly misrepresented in their vote against this new pastor. Proverbs 18:17. But, then again, with such an unmistakable history of racism behind it, predicting which way the SBC would jump in response to a charge of racism would be too easy. It provides an identity for its most passionate acolytes. I actually want you to see me as a black woman, because that has shaped my experiences in life how people have reacted to me, treated me, etc. In 2001, Dorrill pled guilty to racketeering conspiracy charges in connection with the Stadium Naples corruption scandal. First Baptist Church Naples. I'm New. It is widely known that an 85% affirmative vote is unusually high. Gas. I am not lesser or better, but different. Last fall, First Baptist Church (FBC) Naplesa prominent Southern Baptist megachurch in southwest Floridamade national headlines for rejecting an African American pastoral candidate because of some alleged racist members. Racism had Nothing to do with voting!It had to do with biblical principals that many questioned ( CRT, SJM, "Woke" Church). The leadership spread negative comments about the pastor and accused him of acting in bad faith, according to sources close to the church. Of course they did. ", "While racial issues were brought into play, and horrifically there indeed were some who did not approve Rev. is a pastoral search committee? ADMISSIONS ATHLETICS BLOG CALENDAR CONTACT EMPLOYMENT FIRST NAPLES CHURCH GIVE . When that man runs out of money before completion what is everyone going to say? If this were a Calvary Chapel organization, or any other offshoot of Chuck Smiths piracy, no one would be surprised. Despite these red flags, leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) have supported leaders at FBC Naples. "It has nothing to do with race," said William Ericksen, a member of the church for five years and part of the group. I dont think you mean ill will, but just want to make you aware of how poorly comments like that tend to land. We also contacted Marcus Hayes and Biltmore Church about the alleged emails but they declined to comment. "It had to do with biblical principals that many questioned," she wrote. In addition, those who have been excommunicated, as well as former Pastor Hayes Wicker, say they feel like their reputations have been sullied. Just like there are women who are pro-Gloria Steinem feminists, and there are women who are not fans of Gloria, black people are capable of holding differing opinions too. An earlier version of this article named the group accused of stealing the email addresses as concerned FBCN members. They released a statement to the church family blaming racism for the rejection of Marcus Hayes. To be blunt, it stinks and the whiff of corruption I detect is an autocratic sense of entitlement, with a touch of greed, perhaps, as well. Clarified a few things I had heard through the SBC grape vine. And it is must never be carried out with retribution in mind, but always with the hope of restoration. However, in May, Wicker said he agreed to videotape a short farewell message to members from a script both he and the personnel committee had approved. I saw that simply as a distraction from the devil.. I dont think that it was right how they treated him. Greear, SEBTS President Danny Akin, and Rev. No, Again. The leadership structure for the past 500 years in pretty much all of our churches is just refurbished Roman Catholicism. It seems rather patronizing to minorities to assert that every minority persons ideas must be legitimate because the propounder is of a certain colour. Mancini said its standard to recommend that an outgoing senior pastor not be involved in a pastoral succession process. The day after excommunicating the 18 members, FBC Naples lay leadership and pastoral staff sent an open letter to the SBC, accusing some who didnt vote for Hayes, whos a member of the SBC Executive Committee, of racism. Good Ole Fascist techniques of taking away 1A rights are even occurring within the church. Enough racists voted against the pastor. United States Since the failed vote, other allegations have surfaced. Allegedly he said he was happy to see some people in SBC membership moved to the bottom as others move to the top. We've got a Bible & Life Group that's perfect for . "There are no terms to describe what has happened here other than sin. Sad state of affairs. The campaign, he said in an email to the Daily News, consisted of social media, texting, phone calls and a series of emails. Is not the sheer stupidity of this self-evident? We need to see people as fellow human beings made in the image of God. I can tell you not a single thing mentioned above played a role in my vote. and make way for younger leadership to carry the ministry forward. Former deacon, Blake Crawford, said Wicker was later exonerated of the charges in the anonymous letter by church accounting firm, Phillips Harvey Group. Colson thought so highly of an oath of integrity that Wicker had written that Colson included the oath in his landmark book,The Body. We must keep those objectives straight; we are not entitled to wage warfare against people or to enter into diplomatic relations with anti-Christian ideas. The group adds that national leaders within FBC Napless denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), supported the churchs leadership and furthered the racism charge. My heart goes out to his family. They make me want to Puke profusely second only to Calvary Chapel. For these crimes, he was wrongly treated, humiliated, and denied even basic due process, and most certainly treated anything but Christ like. You may recall this line from his I have a dream speech: I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I believe Dr. King was right. Thanks for submitting! Caudill said no one replied to his letter. He also didnt meet the qualifications for the job. Namely Hayes Wicker. Ive attended for 14 yrs and not once did see race. The church staff alleged that racism was behind the rejection. emails from the accused church members reveal that dissenters were Unfortunately, this did not meet the threshold. FirstNaples.org My Account Login We live in UK now as did Naples Baptist 1st Associate Minisiter but come to Naples Baptist every Dec/Jan. Publisher Log-in SUNDAY, Dec 11 (7pm) Despite this track record, Wicker said he was shut out of the new pastor selection process. Almost unbelievable saga of incompetence. Considering slave owners slept with slaves (even in my own ancestry), whites befriended their black help all while denying their equal rights it is possible to have friends and even spouses of other races and still have issues with bias and prejudice. I do not intend to allow blackmail to prevail at this point and would hope that you would support me. JD Greear and his woke cronies attempted a coup at FBC Naples and were thwarted on a grand level. And second, Mr. Hayes did nothing to convince me that he would embrace me as a disgraced member of the church. A lengthyOct. 24 email signed by the "group of concerned FBCN members"and obtained by the Daily News was titled "Concerns Surfacing About Compatibility with Marcus Hayes." According to the inside source, soon after his employment at FBC Naples ended, Wicker was banned from the church campus. Until this happens FBCN will be a former great ministry. On social media, too, some church members said race played no role in the failed vote. Wicker said Dorrill banned him from pastoral search team meetings, and the chairmen of the personnel and finance committees told Wicker his oversight was not needed. Sandra received her Bachelor's degree in Elementary Education from our local college, Florida Gulfcoast University in 2001. More about this ministry: Welcome to First Naples! Church leadership has told excommunicated church members that public response to their situation will result in a restraining order banning them from First Baptist Academy related activities. And guess what? Would you believe that not a single member of the church has reached out to me in love and asked to hear my side of the events. Catholic Idolaters Claim to Find St. Peters BonesAgain. . The church also launched a schoolFirst Baptist Academy. close to Wicker, contacted Pulpit & Pen with disturbing details Takeaway: The treatment of the retiring pastor at FBC Naples is eerily similar to the treatment of the retiring pastor at McLean Bible Church. FBC Naples, Floridas longtime senior pastor Hayes Wicker announced his retirement from pastoring the church in January 2019. Pastor John David Edie, who wrote the open letter to the SBC on behalf of leaders at FBC Naples, alleging racism, resigned in early December. What a great and wise man of God he is? In November, Caudill sent a letter to several prominent SBC leaders, including President Greear and SEBTS President Danny Akin, urging them to retract their statements supporting the racism narrative offered by FBC Naples. So very sorry, but not everything is about race and not everyone is a racist. ", Dorrill said there had been "a concerted campaign of misinformation filled with destructive and divisive content." Wicker, a former President of the Florida Baptist Convention and the SBC Pastors Conference, was such a high-profile leader and fundraiser for Baptist causes that his retirement was covered by Baptist Press, which reported the following on February 4th: In mid-January, Wicker, 68, SUNDAY, Dec 11 (4pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. Find a local church Explore; Giving; App; Sign In; Find a Church; Florida; Naples, FL If this pastoral candidate supportes a book that divides the church along ethnic lines and stirs up divisions in the body of Christ, it is sad that he received as many votes as he did. It also shapes my needs, which tend to go forgotten or overlooked if you refuse to see I am a black woman. Most church experiences, when it comes to a new Senior Pastor, are just that, a celebration and a time of looking forward with hope and optimism to what God has for the future. FBC Napless accusations and treatment of Pastor Wicker upset dozens of church members. It is not necessarily the opinion of any entity by which I am employed, any church at which I am a member, any church which I attend, or the educational institution at which I am enrolled. "It seems all cops ever see is black," the attorney continued. In November, just weeks after the church excommunicated 18 members, John Garippa, a longtime FBC Naples member who led two popular Bible Studies at FBC Naples, left the church. Our Vision. First Naples glorifies God by being a multigenerational, multiethnic, multiplying church, that raises up the next generation of disciple makers, . No church creed has ever taught the nonsense that had become so pervasive in evangelicalism. Wicker said the church never responded to his letter. So we are ambassador-soldiers, reaching out to sinners with the truth even as we make every effort to destroy the lies and other forms of evil that hold them in deadly bondage. Wickers hopes for a smooth transition have been dashed. Church leaders often seem to operate like smoke filled back room big city politicians. Wicker said the future for him and his wife is uncertain. The controversy, which quickly spread in religious circles online, has suddenly thrust the North Naples church into an unwelcome spotlight, much to the dismay of some members. Last Hayes, a black man married to a white woman, "My heart goes out to his family," Hayes wrote. Blake Crawford and former deacon, Mike Dolan, said they were also suspended around that time. The views expressed in any video or live stream presented on our website may not necessarily be the views of the CWM owners and staff. to be clear. The decision to excommunicate us 48 hours after a failed vote, without ANY confrontation, was nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to make people pay and to establish a scapegoat. A movement, to direct and shape the policies and testimony of the church is quite a thing. Yet despite all thats happened, Wicker said, I pray people would not use this to come against megachurches or seeing all committees as bad.. No, Again. "They are reaching their community and showing the care and love that the community desperately needs." Photos courtesy of FBC Naples Hearts With Hands But I dont see how the spirit of God can move among those people, unless they are willing to understand what has happened and admit that what they have done is absolutely atrocious, ungodly, unjust, and even in violation of their own bylaws.. pastoral staff has publicly accused church members who did not approve of Marcus Sad on many, many levels! Find Best Western Hotels & Resorts nearby Sponsored. The judge in the case withheld a conviction but gave Dorrill a $10,000 fine and three years probation. Thank you. I attended the Saturday evening service with Dr.Marcus Hayes. Two weeks later, Garippa started another church called The Naples Gathering. Its no wonder why real born again, followers of the Lord Jesus Christ are walking away from churches, not the body of our Lord Jesus, the Ekklesia, but from this mess we call church. For the church's leadership, "it exposed a sickness in what we characterize as a cancer within our fellowship," he continued in the letter, which also asked for forgiveness from Hayes and his wife and "any other person who has been offended, hurt, or damaged by the outcome" of the vote. Why did the church leadership behave in such an aggressive and dismissive manner? Does my agreement with Dr. King and my deep concerns about intersectionality, et al, make me a racist? How about Luke 16:11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? Men who run a church into so much debt that it is soon bankrupt with one plague of pestilence, why do we believe Jesus gave such man any true riches or wisdom at all? The turmoil at FBC Naples began about a year ago, when longtime Senior Pastor Hayes Wicker announced to the church that he was stepping down to make way for younger fresher leadership.. Naples Christmas Celebration. Would highly recommended." - Tabitha C "Better prices than other sites." - Diana E. But am I not allowed to vote based on my opinion without being called a racist? Marcus Hayes, an African-American who is on staff at Biltmore Church in the Asheville, North Carolina area, was the candidate. One screenshot of a tweet included in the email centers around the fatal shooting of a black security guard by a white police officer in suburban Chicago last year. Church leadership responded in an email to members, calling the Voices of FBCNs email inaccurate and slanderous and claiming that a security breach of the churchs email list had occurred. 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